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  • god_bless_you
    10-23 02:33 PM
    Hello everyone.

    I was wondering if someone could point me to how exactly labor substitution works.

    Before anyone starts jumping down my throat, i am JUST looking for documentation on the full process and I DID try looking on the google.

    If someone has any article on labor substitution and how it works please post it on here.

    Check Immigration Portal forums Labor certification .. Preapproved LC
    Labor substitution Pros Con's etc.. widely discussed there...

    http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=123495





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  • eager_immi
    07-25 10:11 AM
    isn't it my choice. u can go back to india if u like i don't think i will stop u. Also using the same logic india is still ur home country u should go back even if GC works out.

    WHY not go back to India if the GC process fails , I mean after all India is our home country rite .(I am talking only about Indians)

    Health and Wealth are subjective after all





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  • mirage
    03-30 05:20 PM
    Problem is we Indians see Indira Gandhi Airport, Jawaharlal Mission, Rajiv Gandhi Electricity Yojna, Indira Gandhi University, Jawahar Lal Uniiversity, Rajiv Gandhi Jal Sansthan, Rajiv Gandhi This Indira Gandhi that, so we get a feeling as if we are breathing just because of these 3 individuals. They are too good at advertising their Netas, that you just forget if anybody else ever existed... Govt is never one man effort/show.It is a team effort. Just like software projects are.For sure it will not be one man show with BJP.We have NDA's rule for example.While we are that NDA had allies in it too.



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  • grupak
    12-13 11:25 AM
    Discrimination in employment based on nationality is not allowed. However, can we extend the argument to the employment based immigration? We can always choose to take that promotion though we will lose our place in the queue.

    Leaving the question of fairness aside, under the current legal framework my guess is we do not have a case.





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  • jhaalaa
    01-13 01:21 PM
    Long 19 page memo - but loud and clear for many scenarios -
    http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/Laws/Memoranda/2010/H1B%20Employer-Employee%20Memo010810.pdf

    USCIS posts Q & A:
    http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=3d015869c9326210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCR D&vgnextchannel=68439c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD


    This memo is an eye opener especially for folks on consulting company assignments and those who are self-sponsored or who want to do their own business. Finding a new H1 sponsor would be extremely difficult as well (AC21 folks beware).

    Now getting a new H1 or a transfer or a renewal, may be subject to very stringent scrutiny.

    This memo has the potential to throw a lot of small boutique Consulting companies out of business and along with it many of their employees - whether they use H1 or not.

    Wish the best for all affected folks.
    Pray and hope the GC dream is realized faster for all.

    Best Wishes



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  • BharatPremi
    12-13 01:22 PM
    Hello All,

    First and foremost, i must thank everyone from IV, who is working tirelessly to resolve the issues of retrogression in the GC process. As an affected individual I am very grateful that leaders of IV are ready to contribute so much effort for its goals. And even though I do not actively work for the IV agenda, I have contributed money to some IV action items.

    I have a question/suggestion regarding the IV agenda. On IV's about page, pt number 2 asserts amongst other things,
    The Discriminatory Per-Country Rationing of Green Cards That Exacerbates the Delays.

    and further in the same point

    We do not allow employers to discriminate hiring based on their nationality or country of origin. Therefore, the employment-based immigration, which is a derivative benefit of employment, should also be free from rationing based on nationality or country of birth.

    I am curious to know what is the "legal" strength of these assertions is. Are they just "moral" statements or can the validity of these statements be tested in the legal framework of this country? In other words, my question is what is the constitutionality of the "Per Country Caps" in Employment / Family Based Immrigration procedures.
    A lot of Laws and Statutes have been challenged in the Judicial System of USA. And many more are challenged every year. And if the laws are not constitutional then they can be repealed.

    I am sure the leaders of IV must have thought about this argument however a quick search of the forums with 'constitutionality' as the search term did not return any results.

    IV's efforts to utilize Lobbying to bring about change to alleviate/eliminate retrogression are certainly beneficial. However, if IV has not already considered and eliminated this legal argument, then it should explore whether there is any substance to this approach.

    Hence this post. Below are some of the links that might be relevant.

    wikipedia article on constitutionality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutionality)
    wikipedia category on US immigration case law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_immigration_and_naturalizat ion_case_law)

    thanks and sincerely,

    --soljabhai


    I am not a lawyer. Here is my understanding as a lay man:

    What is constitution?

    A: At some point of time, group of people, with having confidence from
    majority of people, with a centralizing tone of some common
    philosophy/ethics, create the framework of regulations with a goal to make
    society orderely, to make sure that common good of people remains
    prevalent and maintained and assures the penalty for deed done agianst
    common good and breaking the common order of the society. Wise ones,
    accepting the limit of individual capabilities, understanding the different
    needs of the society at different time, keep windows opened to improve
    the "base" constitution with making sure all checks and balances do not
    allow the misuse and hecnce the word "Amendment/s" have the existence.

    Now there has to be some base ground when base consitution is prepared.
    What that could be? During the process of human evolution, with accumulated experience of centuries, human societies have established some common practices which we now name "Ethics" and amazingly many are similar across many culture. For example, Burglary is considered crime in each and every society without any question or difference. Why?.. I do not like somebody snatches away my chain as in my mind I have established my ownership to that chain. You also do not like it somebody snatches away your car.If there are only two humans on earth, things might have been simpler considering one is burglar of those two. But here in society now every body has to establish the proof that s/he is aowner of something and somebody else snatches that away then it is not good. So wise ones decided (to keep
    controlled and organized society) made a rule : "From today we will call the act of snatching something away from somebody an act of crime if the person can prove that s/he is the original owner of that thing and let's call that person a "burglar" because he snatched away the thing" Now it was suited to everybody because it was protecting their belonging so that was established as "Ethics" and stories of "criminal behaviour"were created by every society for snatching away the thing from somebody. That make every human understand the fact that snatching away is bad thing
    (if done openly:), If lawyer snatches away big money from your pocket .. no it is not a crime or that matter USCIS... just kidding :))

    Now making story short, after 200/300 years of evolution, USA has legally decided to push the "Ethics" of employment: "Equivalent Oppertunity to all Citizens without race, creed, color, country of origin" and "Skill is the criteria of an employment" Now when these ethical and progressive principals are already implemented for common good of citizens, it should be implemented for foreign labor (non immigrants/immigrants).

    Can we "constitutionally" label some person that, hey you will be called burglar if you snatches thing away from US born person but you will not be called burglar if you snatches away the thing from pakistani or Sweedish or Chiense who has just arrived in this country?

    So bootmline: If at all constitution is permitting "per country based ceilings" then
    we will have to fight to change that because it is not right.





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  • meridiani.planum
    07-30 06:31 AM
    http://www.immigration-information.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5766

    posted 07-24 09:59 AM

    Ron Gotcher has some thoughts on India E2 movement over the next two months.

    More and more, I see people posting messages containing the unspoken assumption that since the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward, it is likely to move forward further in the coming months. This is a false hope.

    Even with a cutoff date in early 2003, the CIS has sufficient inventory of Indian E2 adjustments on file to use up the remaining inventory of E2 visas for this fiscal year. The reason that the Visa Office advanced the priority date is to move it up to the point where overseas consular posts can take up the slack left by the CIS's inability to close out enough cases and avoid wasting visas this year.

    The CIS inventory of pending cases is massive. If there were no quota at all - if everyone were suddenly "current" - and no new cases were filed after today, it would still take the CIS four to five years to close out all of the pending cases that they already have in their inventory.

    Overseas consular posts maintain inventories of cases as well. When the priority date for a particular case starts to edge forward and it appears that the applicant may become "current' in the not too distant future, the applicant is told to submit all required supporting documents to the post or the NVC. When this is done, the applicant is reported to the Visa Office as being "documentarily qualified." This means that the case is in a position where an immigrant visa can be issued to the applicant as soon as a visa number becomes available.

    The inventory of documentarily qualified cases with current priority dates at a consular post never exceeds that post's ability to process all such cases within sixty days. Consular posts have very high bandwidth processing capabilities. No matter how many cases become current, they are able to process all of them within sixty days.

    The reason that the Indian E2 cutoff date has moved forward is that the Visa Office fears that the CIS will not be able to adjudicate enough adjustment of status applications to exhaust the annual quota. They have advanced the cutoff date in order to make more cases overseas eligible for final processing.

    This means that overseas consular posts have exhausted their inventories of Indian E2 cases with priority dates earlier than 2006 and the Visa Office had to move the cutoff date forward in order to make more cases eligible to be closed out.

    This does not mean that the CIS has closed out all of the pre-2006 cases pending in their inventory. Far from it. When the new fiscal year starts, Indian E2 is likely to retrogress back to late 2002 or early 2003. This is roughly the point reached by the CIS in processing their inventory of pending cases.

    Please understand that this is a temporary phenomenon and due entirely to the difference in the processing capabilities of the CIS and the overseas consular posts.

    I hope this clarifies matters.

    Ron Gotcher

    this makes no sense (with all due respect to Mr Gotcher). He basically claims that PD has been moved to allow CP cases to be processed faster to avoid visa number wastage.. However he also says that there is a huge backlog of AOS cases. Looking at how many CP cases are being called for interview in mumbai and delhi (low hundreds) I dont see how CP alone can help avoid a big wastage of visas. If USCIS is still 20k short, then its the massive pile of AOS cases they should be using, just like they did last year.

    Also, if they waste visa numbers this year, it would be really gross incompetence. EB2-India has gone all the way from 2000 to 2006 this year. They slack off at the start of the year, then scramble in the end. I dont know why they follow this approach knowing full well that right at the end it puts them in a soup.



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  • reddymjm
    09-23 03:48 PM
    As per the other thread HR5882 is dead for now.. So concentrate on this now...





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  • tinku01
    02-13 11:53 AM
    I am also with you guys.

    Tinku:rolleyes:



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  • conchshell
    07-29 02:41 PM
    I think the idea being circulated by the Ron and Murtys of this world that DOL pushed out the dates to get CP to use up the numbers that USCIS is incapable or unwilling to use seems to go down the drain I don't think DOL cares about 100 odd visas that much.:)

    Exactly .. that was the purpose behind taking a rough count of CP filers scheduled for GC stamping at US Consulates in India. With the data we have, Ron's argument does not carry much wait.





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  • chanduv23
    08-17 01:21 PM
    Do you mean to say if one american actor/actress is frisked away at Mumbai or delhi airport, americans will go to street and burn the indian flag..? GOA will go after the indian security and customs...? I am not blaming anything about SRK. I am blaming common man, GOI....most importantly the OP who started the thread for SRK....well this is my last post here and I dont want to waste my time on a useless issue.

    Common man is common man everywhere. Star worship is something that exists everywhere. be it sportsmen or movie stars - these people win hearts of people and thats what matters which is most important.

    Now you are blaming people for worshipping him. Thats how things are.

    Do you know how crazy soccer fans are in some countries?

    Thats how things are my friend.



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  • sai
    02-06 12:46 PM
    I dont think there will be a change to already in pipeline cases. Lets wait and see .:)





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  • cinqsit
    01-14 01:51 PM
    V true.

    Folks, the memo clearly empowers USCIS to crack down on consulting firms which don't have any in-house infrastructure (other than contractors) to execute projects.
    H1B is misused for a long time now by these firms and it was high time they put the screws on these "job shops" as they call it. Unfortunately some talented workers will get impacted.
    But if they are talented they will find opportunities elsewhere. Trust me on that. And better opportunities.

    Nathan is exactly right. These firms have created a mess by bending rules everywhere.

    Don't start speculating that USCIS is trying to throw out all immigrants from this country. I'm surprised that folks don't take a proper view of the situation (yeah..bring the reds on and call me an anti-immigrant).


    I agree with a1b2c3.

    USCIS is going after these "job-shops" nowhere do they have a blanket policy written down to stop all H1-B's or greencards.

    Please dont get riled up and think that its going to affect your greencards etc too.

    Actually if you have been following these forums, last two years have been tough for small consulting companies to get renewals/new H1's approved anyways. They were asking for client letter and denying renewals left and right. Some
    were getting H1's denied saying the company office space is too small to fit 100 employees, your product/business plan seems to have been copy-pasted from online sources and what not. Please browse through H1 denied threads on this forums.

    I know its harsh on the employees but they will have to find employment with direct vendors.

    Contracting is a way-of-life for some big financial/insurance companies (if you are from NYC area you will know) its not going away nor is need for H1B's going away.

    USCIS is simply laying down the rules on paper (or in this memo) for what it has already been practicing for more than 2 years now with respect to H1B processing.

    I know its harsh on some employees who will be affected but you will soon realize that
    you will find better paying jobs/contracts. If there is a need and you are good at what ou do you are going to land up a job/contract no matter what even when you are on H1.

    These "job-shop" companies will be going away (good riddance) not you.
    You will still find work you will still find contracts with better pay

    If you are working on a contract directly for direct vendor isnt that much better than being 3-4 "layers" of these middleman "job-shop" companies who each take
    a significant cut out of your share?

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  • msp1976
    02-13 02:50 PM
    I don't think so. 7% limit has been there for a very long time. Unused visas from prior years for ac21 purposes were still subject to 7% in current year. The 7% rule was unchanged.

    It seems that you think that the unused visas from prior year were not subject to 7%. There is nothing of the sort that allows this.


    Refer to this text.....

    http://www.fourmilab.ch/uscode/8usc/www/t8-12-II-I-1152.html#_a_

    TITLE 8, CHAPTER 12, SUBCHAPTER II, Part I, Sec. 1152.

    Look at paragraph a(5)

    (5) Rules for employment-based immigrants

    (A) Employment-based immigrants not subject to per country
    limitation if additional visas available
    If the total number of visas available under paragraph (1), (2), (3), (4), or (5) of section 1153(b) of this title for a calendar quarter exceeds the number of qualified immigrants who may otherwise be issued such visas, the visas made available under that paragraph shall be issued without regard to the numerical limitation under paragraph (2) of this subsection during the remainder of the calendar quarter.
    (B) Limiting fall across for certain countries subject to
    subsection (e) of this section
    In the case of a foreign state or dependent area to which subsection (e) of this section applies, if the total number of visas issued under section 1153(b) of this title exceeds the maximum number of visas that may be made available to immigrants of the state or area under section 1153(b) of this title consistent with subsection (e) of this section (determined without regard to this paragraph), in applying subsection (e) of this section all visas shall be deemed to have been required for the classes of aliens specified in section 1153(b) of this title.


    This is the section that allows for the 7% cap to be violated in case additional visas are available.................

    This is the one many anti immigrant people tried to get removed again and again......


    USCIS did not do anything wrong in 2005 nor in 2006.....By allocating additional visas to India/China USCIS did not do anything wrong...You can sue them ....USCIS has good grounds to defend their position.....You would not get anywhere...





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  • samay
    07-28 04:39 PM
    I have my EB3-RIR pending at NSC with PD JAN 2004. I-140 concurrently filed on July 23rd 2007 at NSC is still pending. I do have the EAD and AP approved.

    I have another EB2 labor (PERM) certified but its I-140 was denied on the basis of qualification. I have 3 yr B.Sc + 2 Yr. Post Graduate Diploma from India. This labor was certified on Dec. 26th 2006 and I-140 was denied last year after replying to the RFE raised regarding qualification. USCIS was looking for 4 yrs. degree instead of 3 yrs. They didn't accept my 2 yrs. post graduate on top of my 3 yrs. B.Sc degree.

    My question: Is it advisable to go ahead and revive this PERM labor to file fresh I-140 again? If Yes, then what all I should do before filing the fresh I-140? I have almost 8 years of work experience in USA beside my 3+2 years degree from India.



    Please advise.

    Was your 8 year experience not mentioned in the I-140 application. To give you a clear answer on your options i will have to go through your documents.



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  • Honda
    02-12 11:57 AM
    huge move for EB3 ROw. it was expected I think.

    01AUG01





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  • jhaalaa
    01-13 02:49 PM
    When folks transfer to a new employers using AC21 (where AC21 is otherwise valid) -
    0. NOT APPLICABLE: for folks who only use the EAD for the AC21 and do not use H1 transfer.
    1. OK: for folks where you work directly for the new H1 transfer sponsor.
    2. DIFFICULT: When H1 transfer using AC21 is sought from a sponsor just to meet AC21 criteria, while one works as a consultant.

    AC21 Beware - is specially meant for those wishing to seek AC21 from a small consulting company - because finding some big employer who would presently write a job description in the offer letter to match the criteria ("same or similar") that was advertised for the Labor certificate underlying a I-485 petition that has been pending 7 or more years back does not seem very practical.
    _______________________________
    In general, for folks on H1 or those planning to get one -

    A. Folks who work directly for the H1 sponsors are OK.

    B. With this memo, meeting 'Employee-Employer relationship' shall become tougher to prove for small and specially third party consulting company employees who work elsewhere and for an unrelated (to what is stated on the LCA petition used for the H1) client.

    It does not mean that its all going to be dark for all with no hope.
    Just that, keeping all necessary documentation, proof of communication of work, duties, progress, status, performance assessments, time sheets, documented business processes, projects related documentation, client-vendor communication, service agreements, etc shall become very tedious for small consulting businesses.


    Best Wishes for all





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  • sodh
    01-28 07:28 PM
    Thanks for the clarification msyedy, and your valuable time.





    vasa
    07-03 03:40 PM
    American Dream suspended on the eve of American Independence

    For aspiring immigrants ,4th of July is not just a holiday and fireworks but a promise of all good things that are American , which comes to those who follow the law , live by her rules and wait patiently for their turn to be called Americans.

    Patience is not just a virtue but a way of life for thousands of Legal immigrants who have been living in the US for a number of years . Besides the everyday stress of Job,Mortgage,Health and education of their children they live with the added suspense of when their application for permanent residency ,commonly

    referred as "Green card" will move ahead from its deep slumber.

    To apply for a employment based "Green Card" , a employed worker's company needs to fulfill the

    requirements of the DOS/USCIS and the date the application is received by the department is referred to as the "priority Date". A movement of a month keeps the hopes and spirits high of the applicants and their families and a couple of months is sheer joy. In 2004 there was a negative trend of retrogression of
    the applications in queue and the dates moved back instead of moving front. It implied a waiting period of a couple of years at the minimum. So midway of the application process everything stalled, all eyes turned towards the senate and the house hoping they would mediate and provide respite to this broken situation. Nothing happened and so we waited for the much anticipated CIR as it was told to us that a comprehensive immigration reform will address the situation of the legal immigrants also besides its main agenda to solve the issue of illegal immigrants in this country.

    The CIR died , then mid June the USCIS came up with a bulletin announcing that it will start accepting applications for adjustment of status for all employment based applicants and their dependents ..From then on it was a scramble to fulfill a long list of requirements to be able to apply on time. The first task was
    for my husband to convince his HR to sponsor the process. Since they had already budgeted for the fiscal year and are on a spending freeze , it took a lot of convincing . The HR complied and gratefully we set out to get our Medical exams(at own cost of 150*2).Since we live in a small state with few doctors we
    drove 2 hours to a neighboring state to get them on time. Being a mother of 3 small kids, I could not work on important paper works with them around. So after putting them to bed we spent the entire night pulling out the required documents from archives and placing them in order; numerous phone calls to parents
    back in India to collect their date of birth, place of birth information and completed the questionnaire. Got passport pictures(60$) and mailed it all to our lawyers praying it will be one of the first to reach the department office on start of business on July 2nd..little did we suspect that this was nothing but adding insult to the injury plan by the honorable DOS.. They had already prepared a rude

    shock when they released a bulletin update on July 2nd stating that they will not accept any applications as they had already allocated all the visas for the current fiscal year in a unprecedented action.
    This has left thousand of families like us confused, saddened and in the middle of nowhere.

    We are raising families here, our everyday life is no different from any other AMERICAN middle class family with same expectations and hopes, so its not easy to presume that we can pull out or get out of this situation and return to our home countries . We still have faith in the constitution and the spirit of this country and preserve faith that this wrongdoing will be reversed and we will get the opportunity to achieve what we have waited for years in a long queue, abiding by the law and fulfilling all requirements to the
    tee..
    On the eve of America�s independence let justice prevail and urge the congress and the STATE department to undo this monstrous decision of USCIS ..

    God bless America.





    Ramba
    03-31 08:47 PM
    Even Muslims in Gujarat have started realizing congress is good for nothing.Congress just makes promises that it never keeps up.Uses opportunistic politics.well of course you create opportunities that are helpful to people which will bring prosperity along with awareness.Increased awareness among masses means end to dynastic rule.So why keep up promises and shoot your self right?

    On the other hand Modi who doesn't even need Muslim votes in Gujarat has worked for overall development. In terms of this Imam from Gujarat;
    'Seeing him work for two or three years after the riots, Muslims too felt they had an opportunity to prosper in the peaceful environment that Modi government was creating. He has provided an atmosphere which is conducive for those who want to trade peacefully in Gujarat. Therefore, intelligent Muslims supported BJP during 2007 Assembly polls'

    Apparently there this group called ,'Tablighis ' who have foreign funding ( which was of course was checked by Modi govt) working towards keeping the hatred alive.It's anybody's guess who benefits from such hatred apart from congress party.

    This guy also says:
    'But let me tell you, projection of 2002 riots was much more grave than the situation actually was. '



    But you know congress party that orchestrated sikh riots went to form govt ,Rajiv Gandhi speaking about sikh riots said 'When a banyan tree falls earth will shake' then he went to be country's PM indulging in all kinds of scams.Now his wife,children are holding offices.Congress party guys directly involved in the attacks also keep getting party tickets.That OK?

    Agree hard work,entrepreneurship and other such qualities are in gujaratis's blood.Intersting how until Modi that time of prosperity never came.

    Most of Telugu people are in I.T , but time for Hyd to get onto International map didn't come until CBN.Again during the current Congress regime in Hyd that time kind of took back step.

    Name of that time is good governance.

    I am not defending any party or person. Everybody is equally bad. Let, all the Muslims in Gujarat may start love him, and entire Gujarat may vote for him. That does not matter. My point is that those people who run for high office should not have any criminal background, despite how much qualified or skilled they are. Assume, if you involved in small domestic violence, and if you fail in small background check you will not get GC even if you are a Nobel Prize winner. Think about PM post and its responsibilities.



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